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#1 19-August-2005 08:30:46

Markus
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Helios Airline Crash

As far as the researches have gone, I heard that there was a loss of pressure in the cabin, furtherlong the people onboard passed out.

Isn't there some sort of a system which automatically descends to a lower flight level if sth like this happens?!

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#2 19-August-2005 14:11:15

Cyrille
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Re: Helios Airline Crash

This is a horrible story, I agree, but:

- This plane was very well know for its problems with the cabin preasure. It was delivered to "Deutsche British Airways". Shortly after delivery, there was a total loss of cabin pressure and the plane made an "emergency descend" to 10,000 feet.

- This plane was given to Helios. The problems remained frequent. During a lot of flights pax complained about the cold temperature in the cabin. The Cabin Crew gave out blankets and said "we are sorry, we have a problem with the aircon". There are a lot of reports of water falling from the top of the cabin, cold temperature... Nothing was done none by the airline or the authorities.

- On a flight from Poland to Larnaca there was a total loss of cabin pressure, crash descend to 10,000 feet again, everybody was safe, nothing was done, neither by the airline or the authorites.

- On this crash flight the Cockpit Crew reported problems with the Aircon (again :-(. It looks very strange to me, why they still climbed to 36,000 feet. It is in every manual that you are not allowed to climb if the cabin preasure is not ok.

This crash is very sad, but if nobody wants to do anything to avoid them... than we have to admit that sh*t happens. If we really want to act, we need performing controlling instances and strong bans to all airlines not respecting the rules.

However, in Switzerland, if you have a close look at the brochures of the travel agencies, you see that you always have to pay about 70 Euro more for a Swiss airline. A lot of people want to have cheaper holiday and fly with these horrible airlines. It's up to everybody.


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#3 19-August-2005 18:02:12

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Re: Helios Airline Crash

All I can say then - besides it's very sad of course - is that they acted completely irresponsible... wright?



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#4 19-August-2005 19:07:58

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Re: Helios Airline Crash

Shouldn't of Deutsche BA had the problem fixed under warranty by Boeing?


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#5 20-August-2005 07:22:02

Cyrille
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Re: Helios Airline Crash

billl142 wrote:

Shouldn't of Deutsche BA had the problem fixed under warranty by Boeing?

Good point. During all A, B and C checks nothing special was found, which is very strange. In this case it would not be a maintenance problem, but a construction problem.


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#6 08-September-2005 04:41:17

Cyrille
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Re: Helios Airline Crash

Some infos concerning this accident, posted from an article of the Herrald

The crew members of a Cypriot airliner that crashed Aug. 14 near Athens became confused by a series of alarms as the plane climbed, failing to recognize that the cabin was not pressurizing until they grew mentally disoriented because of lack of oxygen and passed out, according to several people connected with the investigation.

Complicating the cockpit confusion, neither the German pilot nor the young, inexperienced Cypriot co-pilot could speak the same language fluently, and each had difficulty understanding how the other spoke English, the worldwide language of air traffic control.

During this time, the German captain and the Cypriot co-pilot discovered they had no common language and that their English, while good enough for normal air traffic control purposes, was not good enough for complicated technical conversation in fixing the problem.


What a pitty Boeing has no automatic system preventing a plane from climbing if the preasure is not established. On other planes (you guess the brand :-) this accident could never happen...

I heard some people asking that only pilots with the same mother tongue would be allowed to fly together. This is stupid. In Switzerland since planes are built a french speaking pilot from western Switzerland flies with a german speaking pilot from eastern Switzerland or an italian speaking pilot from southern Switzerland. No problems in nearly 100 years of aviation.

Same with Emirates, Qatar, Ethiad... flying with pilots from all arround the world. No problems so far.


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#7 09-September-2005 21:31:27

Wayne
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Re: Helios Airline Crash

Very interesting, Cyrille. Surely airlines should hire pilots who not only can communicate with ATC, but also between themselves too. If this is true, it is very scary.

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